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EngLit Seminar extension for the students in English Literature at CUNBM
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vaidatimea2017 Rookie


Data inscrierii: 22/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 6 Localitate: Baia Mare
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Trimis: 04/04/2018 17:04 Titlul subiectului: Robinson Crusoe |
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1. Plot summary - main episodes
2. Characterization of Robinson :
a. Is Robinson an adventurer?
b. Is Robinson an "economic man"? (attitudes to money, generally to numbers, provisions for survival);
c. Is Robinson a bourgeois on the island as well?
3. How much do we find out about the island? Is Robinson a dreamer, scientist or a practical man?
4. Robinson's spiritual life (religion) before and after the shipwreck.
5. Is Robinson "the King of the island"? Why? Does he have a need for society?
6. Robinson's encounter with Friday - Expectations vs. actual meeting.
7. Robinson's attitude towards Friday :
a. How curious is he about Friday?
b. Is the relationship level balanced between them?
c. Who has a say in the story? Is the Narrator neutral?
8. The moment when Robinson talks to Friday about God :
a. Again, is there balance between the two?
b. What is Robinson's reaction and response to Friday's question/s? _________________ Vaida Timea, CUNBM Litere LRE 2 |
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Alexandra Noje 17 Plunger


Data inscrierii: 14/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 27 Localitate: Satu Mare
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Trimis: 27/04/2018 22:21 Titlul subiectului: |
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2. a) Robinson Crusoe thinks of himself that is an adventurer only in the beginning, but when he goes through those shipwrecks and troubles, he doesn't think like that anymore.
b) I think that Robinson is a really economic man, because he keeps the exact numbers of everything that he found on the ship, everything that he has.
c) He is truly a burgeoisie on the island as well. He takes care for the provisions needed for his survival. He also made provisions, "just in case" he will need them at some time.
3. We don't know much about the island. He is a practical man, who evolves and perfects his skills during the years.
4. Before the shipwreck, when everyone warned him, his faith (spiritual life) was not as it was after that. This is quite obvious in his dialogue with Fiday about God.
5. His attitude as "king of the island" I think that is somehow...unapropriate, because to be a king, means to have people over who you can "reign", thing which he doesn't has.
6. When Robinson encount Friday, he didn't know what to expect from him. They both were surprised at their actual meeting.
7. a) His attitude towards Friday demonstrate that he treats him with superiority. Robinson is not curious at all of nothing from Friday's life before he gets to the Island.
b) Their relationship level is not balanced, because Robinson changed his name, taught him to speak English and other European cultural things. Actually, Robinson tries to change Friday's behaviour, mentality and belief.
c) in the story, the narator is not neutral. We see the things from Robinson's perspective, not from Friday's, because the narrator is actually an older version of Robinson.
8. a) Again, there is no balance between the two. The only thing we found out about his religion is that the God name is Benamuke.
b) Robinson is surprised by his questions, he didn't expect him to think like that. _________________ Alexandra Noje, LRE III, CUNBM
Ultima modificare efectuata de catre Alexandra Noje 17 la 22/06/2018 02:05, modificat de 1 data in total |
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PatakiRoxana17 Dunker

Data inscrierii: 22/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 16
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Trimis: 14/06/2018 14:21 Titlul subiectului: |
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| Daniel Defoe approached in his writings the appearance of religion in a personal manner. As a result, Robinson Crusoe was not a faithfull person at first sight, he was quite a rebellious son who finally converted to Christinanity after suffering a series of misfortunes that land him on the island. Moreover, talking with God and becoming a thoughtfull person, made him to ask himself "Why has God done this to me?" So, Crusoe survived his suffering only to have a stronger faith in God. As we know that Robinson's designation is the adventure, he learnt how to be an "economic man" by planning everything that he has done, such as the food he has eaten, the course of life and the money he has managed to share in a right manner in order behave. That is what living on the island make him looks like. |
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Cristina.Ilcas17 Dunker

Data inscrierii: 16/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 14/06/2018 16:36 Titlul subiectului: |
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2. Robinson isn't really an adventurer as he is too scared to explore the island. He prefers to settle in a place, making sure he has all the facilities he needs. He isn't really curious about what he may find on the island, he would rather stay with everything he has than exploring the island.
3. We do not find much about the island as Robinson doesn't want to explore it, or maybe he doesn't have the knowledge to. But he says what he observes:" I was in an island environed every way with the sea: no land to be seen except some rocks, which lay a great way off; and two small islands, less than this, which lay about three leagues to the west."He doesn't describe the flora- as he doesn't even pay attention to it, he doesn't describe the plants that he encounters on the island. He pays attention to one thing, which is the soil, so that he would know what he can plant in order to survive.
4.At first Robinson does not believe in the power of God, as he does not consider that some kind of supernatural power can guide him through life.Everything changes when he ends up alone on the island. Here begins the religion conversion. He worries about the religious consequences of disobeying his father. After he found the Bible on the shipwreck he begun to read it daily believing he must atone for his sins. Also, we must mention that Robinson also teaches Friday about God, he tells him about the almighty power of God and that Friday must convert to his religion, no matter what religion Friday belonged to.
5. Yes Robinson considers himself " the King of the island" as he sees that there is nobody else on the island. But shouldn't a king rule over someone? In his mind the island represents his kingdom, even the shelters he built are considered to be "castles". I believe that by calling himself king helps him somehow to mentain his psihical sanity, to see things from one positive point of view, which would be ownig something.
7. Robinson has a superior attitude towards Friday. He doesn't consider him as an equal, he is somehow his slave,( remembering that Friday calls Robinson " master") even if he needs him to communicate. Their relation isn't balanced as Robinson isn't willing to listen to Friday's opinions. For example when Robinson tells Friday about God he isn't willing to listen to what Friday wanted to say about his own God, and his thoughts about a divine power. Furthermore, Robinson skips Friday's questions because he doesn't have a respond, as his own knowledge is limited when it comes to religion and he interpretates things from his point of view, not describing other aspects of religion to Friday so that he would make an opinion based on different points of view. _________________ Ilcaș Cristina, LRE III
Ultima modificare efectuata de catre Cristina.Ilcas17 la 19/06/2018 13:32, modificat de 1 data in total |
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ioanaosan2017 Dunker

Data inscrierii: 22/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 15 Localitate: Mocira
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Trimis: 18/06/2018 23:03 Titlul subiectului: |
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3. I think Robinson is a practical man because he manages to make a decent living on that island. Robinson living alone and having many utilites, such as: food, shelter, clothes. Robinson takes everything he finds necessary on the navy boat to make food. So along those years spent on Robinson island, he learns to build his own home (two dwellimgs right) one of them being on the beach and the other deeper in the island. Robinson learns to make his own food, hunt, make straw chairs, make clay pots and other things. He even has a wheat harvest, although he has nothing to prepare his flour, he makes a sieve of the things he finds. That's why I consider Robinson a practical man because he manages to do useful things out of nothing.
4. Robinson confesses that after finding a Bible on the nautical ship, he was never faithful, and never thanked God for he is still alived. Perhaps the state on that island bey itself made Robinson complete religion. Since then he had prayed and read some of the Bible every day.
5.Robinson is not even a king , but because of the missing needs he had to descover parts of the island, get food and more. So he started to build a home, descover how to make food, how to hunt, how to save food and some things that are limited. He became master of all that is there and he descovered many living things he did not know about. But he lacked the social side, the desire to communicate with some one, especially after the death of his dog. Since then Robinson has remainded alone, and this made him lose his mind at a certain time.
6. For Friday's meeting with Robinson was somewhat expected on Friday to give up the pressure and eat Robinson . But things did not stop like this, Friday after being rescured by Robinson, it turned out to be humble and obedient. Friday learned lot's of things form Robinson: it's not good to eat people or to hunt animals or teach English. Robinson gives him natural food, and on Friday , he prposes to go and feast from the two cannibals he killed. Obivously, Robinson was tasting his suggestion and even threatened him with a gun, that he would kill him if he was eating human flesh.
8. Robinson is trying to teach Friday what religion is and who is God. Robinson tells him that God is most powerful, becausehe lives in heaven above the evil. And here Friday comes with all sorts of questions about this topic. Friday tells him: why is there evil if God is the strongest?do not God destroy it? Well here Robinson is thinking, a little puzzeled by Friday's questions and answers. Robinson, however, replies that is olso must be bad for people to have sinns and get punished for them. Here Friday comes with an argument: if evil were destroyed by God , then pople would not have sin anymore and should not be punished. Here is the balance between the two principles of religion, but Robinson does support his religion anyway, he supports God and wants to make him believe in God on Friday. _________________ Osan Ioana Paula, CUNBM Litere LRE III |
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ani.mihaela2017 Dunker


Data inscrierii: 26/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 16
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Trimis: 19/06/2018 12:04 Titlul subiectului: |
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2.Robinson is a business man.He has this in his blood. He lived in a bourgeois family so how can he be different when all his life was surrounded by money and the idea of having more and more?He is not an adventurier. He is affraid of new things, experiences, all he wants is to be stabile economically even if there's no one else on the island. He is like a bookkeeper of the island. Every detail is noted in a diary and this diary doesn't help only to remember moments, is also a prove of his wealth. Things disapear after a perios so this diary, that precise numbers of his provisions will demonstrate lately his profits.
3. As I said, Robinson is not an adventurier man, that's why we don't know much about the island where he lives. He is terrified, he is affraid to discover the rest of the island, if it belongs to someone, if he can live or work there. He dreams the day he would be able to leave the island and he knows he has to stay alive. He is more like a practical man than a scientific one. He starts to build from every material at his hand. He build a fortification where he can feel safe, he starts to grow his food and step by step he starts to leave aparently a natural life on the island.
4.Robinson wasn't a religious man. God wasn't a part of his everyday life. He believed in God's power only when he almost lost his life.After he arrived on the island he found some Bibles that were in the ship.After some attemps to leave the island and after he almost lost his life,Robinson starts to read the Bible and to contemplate more about God's existence. He started to pray, to think of God in crucial moments when he felt like the power is no more in his hands but in God's. After years his faith in God got stronger and stronger. He now was sure that everything is the plan of God, that everything happens with a purpose. He believe that God is the supreme power and that no one is stronger that him, not even Friday's god, Benamuckee.
5. Living on the island after his rules, Robinson started to fabricate his own society. He wanted someone, he felt alone, but he wanted someone to live under his rules.He believed that he is the only one who discovered the island, that he lived so many years there that everything belongs to him and that's why he named himself ''The king of the island''.Everyone who would want to live there will have to respect him and his decesions, practically to treat him like a king.
6.Robinson dreamed the moment of the encounter with Friday. A year before, Robinson dreamed that one night 11 cannibals arrive on the island with two prisoners to kill them and cook for dinner. One of the prisoners escapes and runs to Crusoe for protection.He save him and with his help he managed to leave the island. For a year, Crusoe waited the ocazie he dreamed, believing that his would be his big chance. After a year half of the dream come true. One day, Crusoe finds five canoes with thirty cannibals prepared to kill two prisoners. While the first one is killed, the second one manage to escape and hides on Crusoe's place. Crusoe saves his life but he doesn't gain the chance to escape, only a servant who vows devotion to his rescuer, Friday, named after the dat he was saved.
7.Since we find the color skin of Friday we know for sure Robinson's attitude towards the boy. Living in a society where black people were sclaves, servants, sold as inanimate objects, Robinson will act as he knows, will use him for his purposes. He doesn't care about Friday.He doesn't want to know if he has a family, if he miss them, if they are in danger. We don't even know if Friday has a real name. From the beggining Robinson told a rule:Don't touch my things! Robinson wants to make from Friday the real servant from the european society. He teach him what to eat, how to dress, how to work, a bit how to read and also few english words.
8. But, one day, Robinson has an interest in something and this is Friday's religion.Robinson managed to make a true servant from Friday but he still has one thing to do, to make him believe in God and this is the difficult part because despite he was unmanniered, uneducated, Friday had faith in his deity, Benamuckee.
Crusoe starts to tell Friday about God, about his infinite mercy and power, that everything from our world is kept in his hand and that no one is more powerful than him.
Robinson belived that Friday, as his sevant, will accept what he says and will start to believe in God, but for the first time we see a reaction from Friday.
Friday accepted everythin Robinson said and did as he was his master but when it comes to speak about faith, Friday is somehow offended. Friday has his own faith, Benamuckee, the one who lived beyond all.Friday doesn't believe in God's power asking that if he is so powerful why can't he destroy all the bad in the world?First reaction of Robinson was silence.He listened quiet, he felt somehow for the first time inferior to Friday. He just couldn't understant how can a man who is uneducated to speak like this.Even if Friday speak with so much faith about his god, Robinson couldn't accept the idea that Friday doesn't believe in his god, so after he reads the Bible and contempates he has the last word in this discution, conclusionong that his God is the most powerful.
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Emanuela Negru Dunker


Data inscrierii: 26/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 19/06/2018 12:56 Titlul subiectului: |
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2. a)I think Robinson is not an adventurer. When he arrived on the island,he explore the surrounding after three months. Also, when he saw a print of a foot in the sand he became very alarmed. After so many years, when he had the possibility to met a person, he is very terrified. He thought that somebody is infiltrate on his "property". Also, he is so scared about the savages people. In a way, we can say that Robinson is an adventurer, he run away from home, he embarked on a ship despite of the father's advice. But, when he is on that desolate island he is not an adventurer.
b)Robinson is an economic man. Before the shipwreck, Robinson keeps the number of his borrowed money: "I did not carry quite 100 pounds of my new..", "I had 200 pounds left, and which I lodged gained wealth with my friend's widow, who was very just to me". Also, he keeps the number of the money for the skins" The generous treatment the captain gave me, I can never enough remember. He would take nothing of me for my passage, gave me twenty ducats for the leopard's skin, and forty for the lion's skin. Also, on the island he keeps the number of everything:the clothes, objects, "pens, ink, and paper, several parcels in the captain’s mate’s, gunner’s and carpenter’s keeping; three or four compasses, some mathematical instruments, dials, perspectives, charts, and books of navigation, also,
I found three very good Bibles. So,we can say that Robinson is a very economic man. He is thinking about the future, not the present, he wanted to have food, clothes for "tomorrow."
c)I think, that Robinson is bourgeois on the island. He is an adept of capitalism, he is very interested about his "businesses". he grow up in a bourgeois family, surrounded by money. He had everything he wanted, and also in Brazil and on "his island", he started to do businesses.
3. We don't find out so much about the island. He didn't mention exactly where is the island. Also, he didn't describe the island: nothing about the animals or about the plant that can be found there. He is not focused on the geographical coordinate.
4)Before the shipwreck, Robinson, is somehow a "rebel child", he doesn't listen to his father's advice, when he said him not to go on the sea." That boy might be happy if he would stay home, but if he goes abroad he will be the miserable wretch that was ever born" In his father's words appears two adjectives that can describe the character on the father's point of view. The adjective" happy" if he stays with his family and" the miserable wretch" if he goes abroad. He is passive of his father's word's and he run away. In a way, his father's words were prophetic. After, he goes, he remembered the father's advice and he pray to God to forgive him. This is the moment when he pray, when he talk to God. He doesn't have a personal relationship with God. For him, God is just "spare wheel". He talk to God just when he is in trouble. After the shipwreck, his attitude about God and religion is changed. " I might well say more indeed, the the better end of Job was better than the beginning. It is impossible to express here the fluttering of my very heart when I looked over these letters, and especially when I found all my wealth about me, for as the Brazil ship come all in fleets the same ship which brought my letters brought my goods" . Robinson's comparison of himself to the biblical character Job in chapter twenty- nine, after he return to England, I think reveals much about how he gives his ordeal religious meaning. In Robinson's mind, his shipwreck is not a random event, but is a part of his test. He look back and see the fact that God wanted to learn him a lesson. Job was a faithful man, who loves God despite of his situation. His sons and daughters died in a freak wind storm that collapsed the house where they were. After Job heard this reports, he ripped his robe and shaved his head, both outward indications of grief and mourning. After this, Job said "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. The Lord gave me and the Lord taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord"(Job 1:20,21) I think, that Robinson wanted to say that he is somehow like Job, and his faith in God helped him to survive. Honestly, I don't think so... Firstly, he doesn't listen to his father, secondly, he doesn't have a personal relationship with God like Job. He is praying just when he had troubles.
5.Robinson is considered him the" king of the island". He thought that island is him property. He considered that everything on that desolate island belongs to him. He doesn't need the society. He felt alone, he needed someone to talk, but he wanted to be "his master".That person would live after his rules.
6. Before Robinson met Friday, he had a dream and he saw the boy. In the morning, after he had this dream he was very happy and full of hope because he hopes to escape and arrived at home with the boy's help. After twenty-third years on the island he saw a smoke from a fire. There were nine men around the fire and they were cooking their terrible food. After this event five boats went to his place. They were about thirty men and they had two prisoners. Than they killed one of the prisoners and the second one run away. He help him and he gave him a name: Friday, the day when he arrived on the island. He was a young men about twenty-five years old. At the beginning Robinson was thinking that this boy would help him to escape. Also, he wanted to have someone to talk because he felt so lonely.
7.Belongs to a bourgeois family, surrounded of slaves, black people, Robinson's attitude about Friday is one of superiority. He didn't ask Friday about his real name, or about his family. He had this perception that european people are superior to black people. He in not interested about his past or his story. Here appears the idea of racism. Their relationship is not symmetrical one. Friday listen everything that Robinson said about his country, about his religion, about main rules of behavior but Robinson didn't listen Friday. Also, Friday, is trying to learn the Robinson's language but Robinson's is not interested about Friday's language or culture.
8) At some point, they talk about God. Robinson tried to explain things about God's love and His power. Friday listen to him and asked him an intelligent question, "if God is so powerful,why He is not destroy the devil?" Robinson attitude about this question is something like this" you don't know, you are so stupid"and he skip the question.
EMANUELA NEGRU, CUNBM, LRE I
Ultima modificare efectuata de catre Emanuela Negru la 19/06/2018 22:39, modificat de 1 data in total |
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ceuca.dorinela17 Dunker

Data inscrierii: 28/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 16
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Trimis: 19/06/2018 21:11 Titlul subiectului: |
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2A…Robinson Crusoe is warned by his family not to leave because of the dangers that could be in a life at sea but even that he is stubborn and unstoppable . R is not an adventurer, it took three month since Robinson starts to explore the island because he was scared. He counts every coin received by his father and not only and also Robinson uses accurate data to measure everything (distance, length).
2B…Robinson is an economic and practical man because he always make sure he has everything he needs. For example, at the beginning he planted only what he need for survival and after few years he increased the plantation and he planted more than he need to make sure he has provisions for the next years. We can say he was somehow obsessed for making provisions and to have money because he brought many things from the ship even was not necessary(he also had a diary where he wrote every detail about the food, money…).When I said that Robinson is a practical man I refer that he invent tools that he needs just to survive and because of his intelligence he was able to resisted the island.
2C If we talk about Robinson as a bourgeois we observe that he grew in a wealthy family with great stability but even that Robinson is an adept of capitalism.
3 Robinson is a practical man because he learned how to live despite all the weight on the island. He was an intelligent man and he learned to make provisions, to make tools, he build two fleets. Robinson is more practical than scientist.
4 At the beginning Robinson is not a religious man and everything started in the moment when he did not listen to his father when he warned him not to leave at sea. This behavior can be attributed as a rebellion against God. When he get to the island Robinson is upset and he thought that God forsake him because of the terrible events. “ I looked back upon my past life with such horror and my sins appeared so dreadful the my soul sought nothing of God but deliverance from the load of guilt that bore down all my comfort”. Here it`s a different man with a different mentality and he admit he was wrong but in the end he managed to have a spiritual life.
5..Robinson liked to believed that he was' The king of the island' because in all that time Robinson lived under his rules and he created his own 'society' but more that he liked to think, he wanted that everyone who comes on the island to obey to him and to listen the Robinson`s rules.
6..Robinson and Friday. Robinson had a superior attitude in front of Friday because he was part to another class. Robinson was totally indifferent and do not care about Friday. He did not ask Friday about his name , his life, he did not known anything about him, he was not curious, but in the end Robinson teached him how to speak and gave him food. Friday calles Robinson ‘master’. Most of the time when Friday says or ask something , Robinson prefers do not answear to him because he did not have a respond.
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Data inscrierii: 25/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 17
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Trimis: 19/06/2018 22:46 Titlul subiectului: |
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2.a.Robinson is not an adventurer. When he arrived on that island he wanted only to survive. He didn’t search for adventure on the islnad. He was preocuped to make provisions, to build a house, to have what to eat. However, we can say that Robinson have a soul of adventurer, because he did’t listen his parents when they said to him that he shoud’t go abroad. But when his life is dependnt of his activity, how was on the island, Robinson give up at adventure spirit.
b.I think that Robinson is an economic man. Firstly, on the first days when he arrived on the island, he carried everything than can be carried from the ship to island. He said that if the storm wasn’t happend, he would carry even the ship piece by piece. Secondly,he took money from the ship even he knew that he didn’t have what to do with they on th island, but he thought that someday he will go away from the island and then he will need that money. In the third line, I think that Robinson is an economic man, because he had an register where he noted all values in numerical form. When he realized that he hasn’t enough gunpowder, he found another methods to catch animals so that he was’t necesary to use his weapon.
c. For me, Robinson is not an bourgeois on the island, because he had bare necessities for a modest life. He did’t cultivated more harvest than he needed.
3. Robinson is a practical man. I think this, because when Robinson arrived on the island he didn’t begin to explore the island, he start to build a house where he could be safe. Robinson didn’t give us more details about the island, we find how looks that island only when Robinson go for finding wood for his house, or when he save Friday.
4. I don’t remember the writter to say something about Robinson’s spiritual life before the shipwreck, but after Robinson met Friday we see that Robinson is an christian. He learn Friday about the God. Robinson knew about the God, because he find on the ship some bibles and read there. He started to pray when his life was in dangerous. He knew something about the God from his father.
5. Robinson is considered by himself ‚the King of the island’ , because he knew that he was lonely on that island. When he realised that there was another people, he was’t king, he was a followed person, this in his mind, because he was hidden. He feels safe only when he was single. Even if he wanted to have somenone who speak to him, he was hidden from people. He knew that people were cannibals, because he saw how thei prepared their victims for food.
7.a) Robinson isn’t curious about Friday, because he does’t ask Friday about his name, his origin, his tribe, his language or religion. Robinson gave him a name without asking Friday if he likes that name, or Robinson teaches Friday about the God, without asking if Friday wants this. Robinson think that if he saved the life of Friday , this must be loyal.
b)There is not a relationship level balanced between them, because Robinson think that he is superior to Friday. This because he saved Friday’s life.
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Sabadis Andreea Dunker

Data inscrierii: 25/Mar/2018 Mesaje: 17
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Trimis: 19/06/2018 22:50 Titlul subiectului: |
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a) I consider that Robinson is an avenurier man, because he love travel. Even if Crusoe's first voyage it was danger . He desired to travel, thus he don't listen his father advice , and he forget promise made at God . b) Robinson is an economic man , because he economize aliment , put gunpowder in small boxes to avoid their damage. He have a” journal” which contain :The amount of food , tools. c) I do not think Robinson can be included in a social class as long as he's on the island.He is a simple man , and shipwreck does not affect the social class it belongs to, neither now , neither when he depart the island. 2.The island is described by Robinson. On the island were found: wild goats , wild cast , grapes, sugar cane , tobacco leaves , lemon.
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luca.lorena17 Dunker


Data inscrierii: 03/Apr/2018 Mesaje: 20
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2. a) Yes, I think he is an adventurer before the shipwreck, because he takes risks and is not afraid to try new things. He has only 18 when he ignores his family’s advice (he’s parents wanted him to become a lawyer) and decided to run away from home to fulfill his dream, to become a sailor. He manages to trade successfully on his first voyage to Africa, but on his second voyage, the ship is attacked by pirates and he becomes a slave. He manages to escape but does not return in England, instead he decides to roam the seas because his life in England was too boring.
On the island, he is not really an adventurer, because it takes him months to make courage to explore the wilderness of the island and when he sees traces of civilization (a footprint) and realizes he’s not alone, Robinson is afraid and becomes very restless.
b) Robinson Crusoe is an economic man who wants to achieve maximum prosperity and he never thinks only for the moment. He holds an register of everything: days, provisions, gun powder, clothes, money (“I took money…” and he says the întocmai amount; he keeps all the money he recovers from his expeditions from the two wrecks and even from the lifeless body of the drowned boy).
c) Yes, he is a bourgeois on the island, because he still remains a person whose economic opinions are determined mainly by concern for propriety values. He accounts everything and he considers the island as “his island” (“the whole country was my own mere propriety”), he thinks that everything belongs to him, even the life of his people (“they all owned their lives to me”).
3. We do not know too much about the island, Robinson does not offer exact data about it. He speaks about the fact that it is uninhabited, specifies that he sees a high hill at a distance of about a mile and about strange species of birds.
I think that he’s a practical man because when he realizes he’s alone, instead of complaining, he decides to work hard to create a comfortable life for himself on the island. For example, he saves useful things from the ship and makes his own ustensils in order to improve his dwelling, he also build his own home, grows his own food and makes his own tools to help him survive. Even if he complains about being isolated from society, he continues to build fortifications on the island relying only on his tools and labour. Because Robinson had to build everything he needed and this made him a more skilled man.
4. Robinson begins to believe in God only after the shipwreck. Separated from the world, on the island, Robinson devotes himself to Christianity, considering that everything that happened and happens to him is produced by the divine plan of God. Also, on the island, Robinson realizes his mistakes, that he should have listened his father’s warnings and he thinks that the shipwreck is the punishment for his inconvenient behavior. It’s maybe late, but no too late, when he realizes the shallowness of his beliefs, because in England he thanked God just occasionally and did not think deeply about his faith in God, but on the island (“For the first time, he prayed to God before going to sleep”), he’s thankful and devoted to Christianity.
5. Yes, he’s the “King of the island”. Robinson considered that he’s alone on a desert island and he can do whatever he wants. He’s the ruler, so the island and the resources present on it are his possessions.
After living alone for many years, Robinson develop a small group of friend with who he behaves like a King, because he controls the freedom and the fate of other men.
7. The narrator is not neutral, because the story is told from Robinson’s point of view.
The attitude of Robinson is characterized by the first word he teaches Friday to say: “master”. Crusoe saves Friday (and others) from the cannibals, and he expect him to be somehow his servant, not his friend. He’s at first worried about Friday, but soon Crusoe learns that Friday is friendly. Robinson knows that God made all humans equal, but he keeps treating Friday like a servant. Crusoe starts at some point to see Friday as a friend, he’s teaching him things (he tries to make Friday believe in God), but he is not trying to learn anything about Friday’s culture or way of life. Robinson finds in Friday a faithful and trusted companion.
Thanks to this friendship, Robinson learns that even if two people are different, even if they do not share the same race, religion or skin colour, they can still be friends because people share the same feeling and needs.
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2. The main character is not an adventurier, he is afraid to discover new things, but he has an adventurous life. I think it was mainly a story of a survival on a desolate island, on the difficulties encountered.
Economic mentality has a vital role in Robinson Crusoe, his solitary state on the island, his limited relationship with other reflect the nature of the capitalism, which emphasize individual self-interest, he was seeking ways to get richer, having money.
3. I think that Crusoe, is more practical than scientist, he made plans for food and then shelter to protect himself from wild animals. In time discovered his qualities of inventor and master craftman, able to construct many useful things to fights with the nature, and manage to live well on a island. There is no many details about the island.
4. At that point when Robinson, had no listen to his father the sin took birth. Crusoe, appears to be devout to his faith, and other times he contradicts himself and his fate, he shows his first rebellion againt God: "I consulted neither Father or Mother any more, nor so much as sent them word of it, but leaving them to hear of it as they might without asking God's Blessing, or my Father's without any consideration of circumstances or consequences and in an ill hour, God knows". During his first voyage, Crusoe encounters a terrible storm at sea, and he call to God, when his life is in real danger, he is using God only when is convenient for him, he doesn't have an intimate, personal relationship with God. |
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All of you managed to point out key events which have an argument for the questions I have raised...all though maybe some of you disagree every opinion is correct it depends on how you approach the problem, and of course from the life experience. _________________ Vaida Timea, CUNBM Litere LRE 2 |
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4. In his early life, Robinson Crusoe’s spiritual life was pretty much nonexistent. He refused to listen to his parents or the guidance repeatedly given to him by his father. His father quoted passages like Proverbs 30:8, “Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches.” Crusoe turned from his father. He set off into the world with his own agenda, working to gain earthly wealth and glory. He ended up going on different voyages, each teaching him something about sailing and the sea. However, his travels were often met with storms and struggles. Crusoe would say that he had realized his wrong and then promised to turn from them, but when all was said and done he would turn again to the sinful life of seeking his earthly lusts.
The way Crusoe lived his life during the early days on the island showed his lack of spiritual life. When put on the island where no one could see him, his spirituality faded fast. He began to neglect the Sabbath, seeing them as days like any other. He didn’t see the importance of these days in which we are to set aside our earthly labors. We also see the weakness of Crusoe’s spiritual life when he encounters the “miracle” of the growing of barley. When this growth of barley appeared to be a miracle, he cried and gave thanks to God. However, when he found a rational explanation, he again began to deny the Providence of God. However, God used this trial of Crusoe to strengthen his spiritual life and faith. Crusoe realized that he had lived in all disregard to the will of God. He realized that he was living a life of sin. When he was delivered fully from his sickness, Crusoe fell on his knees and gave thanks to God. |
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1. a) I consider that Robinson is an avenurier, because he love travel. Even if Crusoe's first voyage it was danger . He desired to travel, thus he don't listen his father advice , and he forget promise made at God .
b) Robinson is an economic man , because he economize aliment , put gunpowder in small boxes to avoid their damage. He have a” journal” which contain :The amount of food , tools.
c) I do not think Robinson can be included in a social class as long as he's on the island.He is a simple man , and shipwreck does not affect the social class it belongs to, neither now , neither when he depart the island.
2.The island is described by Robinson. On the island were found: wild goats , wild cast , grapes, sugar cane , tobacco leaves , lemon.
4. Before Robinson arrived on the island, he was not a religious man. But after the shipwreck and after he gets sick, he begins reading the Bible, to thank God for everything to has. He becam a Christian.
5. I think that Robinson that a superior attitude towards Friday . In the first time because Friday have a different colour, he is black . In the second time Robinson consider that Friday is just a slave ( not a friend ) . Level of relationship between Robinson and Friday it cannot be equal. Because Friday is a slave , so occupies a much lower position than Robinson .
6. When Robinson and Friday talk about God , the relationship between them is equal. I say that because Robinson don’t have a superior attitude towards Friday. Crusoe tells Friday much about God. He tells Friday about the relationship between God-Satan, God-peoples, peoples-satan . Robinson does not want to force Friday to believe in God, he wants to convince that God exists.
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@Roxana.Pataki
| PatakiRoxana17 a scris: | | Daniel Defoe approached in his writings the appearance of religion in a personal manner. As a result, Robinson Crusoe was not a faithfull person at first sight, he was quite a rebellious son who finally converted to Christinanity after suffering a series of misfortunes that land him on the island. Moreover, talking with God and becoming a thoughtfull person, made him to ask himself "Why has God done this to me?" So, Crusoe survived his suffering only to have a stronger faith in God. As we know that Robinson's designation is the adventure, he learnt how to be an "economic man" by planning everything that he has done, such as the food he has eaten, the course of life and the money he has managed to share in a right manner in order behave. That is what living on the island make him looks like. |
This is a "creative" plagiarism from [url=https://www.google.ro/search?q=he+was+quite+a+rebellious+son+who+finally+converted+to+Christinanity+after+suffering+a+series+of+misfortunes+that+land+him+on+the+island&oq=he+was+quite+a+rebellious+son+who+finally+converted+to+Christinanity+after+suffering+a+series+of+misfortunes+that+land+him+on+the+island&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]Schmoop[/url]. Roxana, pay attention at a sinte like Schmoop, which is going to steal your data from your phone (that’s what my anti-virus software tells me!)!
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@Ciurdaș Emima:
A consistent section of what you wrote is copy-pasted (without the due acknowledgement) from [url=https://www.google.ro/search?biw=1070&bih=842&ei=J0IxW6a9NMGrsAHMiLOADg&q=In+his+early+life%2C+Robinson+Crusoe%E2%80%99s+spiritual+life+was+pretty+much+nonexistent.+He+refused+to+listen+to+his+parents+or+the+guidance+repeatedly+given+to+him+by+his+father.&oq=In+his+early+life%2C+Robinson+Crusoe%E2%80%99s+spiritual+life+was+pretty+much+nonexistent.+He+refused+to+listen+to+his+parents+or+the+guidance+repeatedly+given+to+him+by+his+father.&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5604.7608.0.8388.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..2.0.0....0.__wSkxhFuVA]BeaconLights[/url]. This is AGAIN plagiarism. WARNING and Forum BAN!
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