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alex.hapca · Trimis: 17/05/2008 19:10 Titlul subiectului: George Orwell: "Animal Farm"

I guess everybody knows the fact that "Animal Farm" is a novella by George Orwell and also a satirical allegory.What arguments do you have in order to explain that the novella is indeed a satirical allegory?What about the characters?How are they devided?

Mihut Ancuta · Plunger Data inscrierii: 08/Mai/2008 Mesaje: 36

My opinion is that the animals are divided as the human beeings are.I like the begining and the end because there are represented the things haw I would like to be in our world

Larisa Sofineti · Trimis: 19/05/2008 12:17 Titlul subiectului: Animal Farm

In this work, there are however a lots of "Utopian" thoughts, the characters represents human characteristics in comparison with animal instincts. Also, I think the communism is well presented, the animals call Napoleon as "Comrade". The animals points to the fact, that men are kind of creatures that produce nothing and this way they get rid Mr. Jones of the farm, making a new system to say like that in which Napoleon is the leader and the pigs are like the representatives of the farm.

monica p · Diver Data inscrierii: 08/Mai/2008 Mesaje: 66

well, I guess it is an allegory because the ideas are not presented explicitely but indirectly through the story of those animals which are involved in a human like situation. Secondly it is a satire because of the ironical attitude of the narrator who is against the tyranical type of political regime.It is like a fable which in the end has a moral message:not all the revolutions are followed by a better life as this depends a lot on the leaders and the people involved.

claudia solomes · Plunger Data inscrierii: 08/Mai/2008 Mesaje: 40

I found this book very similar to the other one, "1984".I think the same world is represented in both books.A world of terror,with the same kind of leader(dictator), the same way to handle people's mind.Because the animals used to think somethig at the beginning and after that the were convinced that in fact they understood wrong.Is a good example what happened with Snowball, he was a hero and he becamed the enemy.Another similitude I think it could be the rewriting of history,novels.newspapers...in "1984" and those governing rules in "Animal farm".In both cases the modifications were made because it was useful for leaders.

maria pop · Trimis: 20/05/2008 18:22 Titlul subiectului:

I think that even if the narrator uses euphemism-avoiding to say the truth by using a nice word mask- Animal Farm is a novel that alegorically depicts the true face of comunism.Animal Farm is told from the perspective of the common animals as a group,it isn't told from any special animal's perspective because it doesn't have a protagonist. If we take in account that the master of the farm is sent away,is chest away one can tell that a similarity between the animal's rebelion and bolsevic revolution exists.The animals have human characteristics and they start to individualise:dogs turn into policemen, pigs turn into ideologs and horses turn into laboreurs. The initial society was based on the idea that everything will go well but while the fear of lacking food is approaching the animals have to become selfreliant.This is why the individuals are slowly erroded,for example pigs are becoming a class that thinks.De facto lider,Napoleon,becomes the big chief impposing the rules-the dogs(police)are killed when some things go wrong even if they are the best friends of Napoleon.By moving into the house of ex-master,playing cards,drinking alcohol and changing the rules(for example "No animal will drink alcohol" into "No animal will drink alcohol in exces.") the pigs are moving in the position of lider.Snowball,an intelligent pig, begins to see that things went wrong,he is accussed of betrayal and he is killed-the best son of revolution is killed.I think that pigs put the old name of the farm because they started merchandising-have comercial deals-with men.They are playing cards and drinking wine together in the house,this is why one can see the magistral substitution between pigs and men "it was difficult to say which was which".The wind-mill might simbolize the mean of observing control-they will have plenty of food-but also the helper of the brilliant economic society,the keyword being prosperity. Thank you for your time!

POP CRISTINA · Trimis: 22/05/2008 14:50 Titlul subiectului:

as in society we have class stratification.even if initially they were unified to fight against their enemy they end up in two "groups":intelectuals and working class.even their rights were divided. intelectuals were allowed to do whatever they wanted while working class was allowded only to work. :-)

ramona_covaciu · Trimis: 22/05/2008 18:33 Titlul subiectului:

i think is a satirical alegory the fact in which animals imite people, specially the pigs. in the begining we see when the Old Major tell to the animals that they should revolt against man, but not let themselves act like him , not enheriting his bad habits. And we see that this is exactly what it happen, they forgot all things that the Old Major told them. I liked the episodes in which the pigs had drinked alcohol, and while i read that, i said "they are drinking like the pigs" :lol:

it is a nice book, i enjoyed it in special because it made me laugh :-)

Larisa Sofineti · Trimis: 23/05/2008 08:07 Titlul subiectului: Animal Farm

"Animal Farm" is like a comparison between two different systems. The first one would be like a dictatorship, represented by Jones, because he was the only who gave orders and the animals had to perform it like true slaves. The second one would be a democracy. It is best illustrated according to their established rule: "All animals are equal". I would divide the characters this way and especially that hierarchy was obvious.

ramona_covaciu · Trimis: 23/05/2008 08:16 Titlul subiectului:

yes, Lary.but regarding the 'democracy' of animals, i want to say that this was only at the begining..because while time passing, even the animals make their 'dictatorship'. Because this is what Napoleon is doing after he take the power..he give orders and the other animals only execute. And here he doesn't respect the rule that said "All animals are equal". For Napoleon, this rule doesn't exist any more. For him,only HIS rules exist. Ahat a Pig :-D

ramona_covaciu · Trimis: 23/05/2008 08:21 Titlul subiectului:

i have to corect my last sentence from the last mesage..my fingers went mad :lol:

it was: "What a Pig!"

And i forgot to say that, resulting from what i said, we can equall the two worlds, of the people and of the animals, because both of them end in having a system of dictatorship.
May it be like that?

Laura Cornea · Trimis: 29/05/2008 18:11 Titlul subiectului:

The book is quite pesimistic :-/

. It proves that all societies have the same evolution... they all start with great ideals and hopes for a better life, but in the end corruption end selfishness destroy everything. It's like we are stranded in a vicious circle.
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Laura Cornea · Trimis: 29/05/2008 18:12 Titlul subiectului:

mircea · Rookie Data inscrierii: 05/Iun/2008 Mesaje: 4

yes Laura. you could say that the book is pessimistic but if a child reads it it's just a fable :whistle:

I think there is another point of view, the book can be regarded as a warning, something like that could happen in any society, we must be aware that even though a dictatorship might seem the worst thing, democracy is not always the best way out. Like Winston Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Laura Cornea · Trimis: 05/06/2008 17:01 Titlul subiectului:

Pomian Codruta · Trimis: 11/06/2008 18:31 Titlul subiectului: "Animal Farm" ...

“Animal Farm” by George Orwell is a satirical novel because of the attitude of the narrator. The narrator has an ironical attitude.
The novel describes how a society's ideologies can be manipulated and twisted by individuals in positions of social and political power, including how a utopian society is made impossible by the corrupting nature of the very power necessary to create it.